Sunday, February 12, 2012

G26: 39979712 Say


39979712. Hugh de Say & 39979713. Lucy de Clifford

Hugh born in England, s/o §Hugh fitz Osbern & Eustucia de Say.

~1150, Lucy born in England, d/o 39979264. Walter Fitz Richard de Clifford & 39979263. Margaret de Toeni.

12/19/1154, Henry II crowned king of England.

Hugh’s father died, his mother surviving; succeeded by his brother Osbert. (S) History of the Present Deanery of Bicester, Blomfield, 1893, P9.

Aft. 1156, Eusticia’s father died.

1161, Osborn fitz Hugh paid 20£ scutage for his knights’ fees of the barony at Richard’s Castle.

Hugh married Lucy, acquiring the manor of Rochford.

1172-85, Osbert fitz Hugh donated a virgate at Richard´s Castle to Haughmond Abbey by charter, witnessed by Walter de Clifford, Walter his son, Hugh de Say and Lucie his wife. (S) FMG.

Aft. 1185, Hugh heir to his brother Osbern Fitz Hugh, who had married Amicia, d/o Walter Fitz Richard de Clifford. Hugh paid 200 marks for livery of his lands. (S) Shropshire, Anderson, 1864, P296.

11/3/1189, Richard I crowned king of England.

1190, Walter de Clifford [Lucy’s brother], Hugh de Say of Richard’s Castle, and William de Braose acted for the king in several matters related to Kingston castle and the castle of Norton. (S) Collectanea Archaeologica, V1, 1862, P45.

By 1191, Hugh died in the wars in Wales.

Lucia married 2nd Bartholomew de Mortimer [a knight and companion of King Richard I on crusade.]

(S) Shropshire: Its Early History and Antiquities, Anderson, 1864, P296. (S) Transactions of Shropshire, V5, 1882, P346.

Family notes:

·         Undated charter, dated to before 1190, under which Hugh de Say and Lucia his wife, daughter of Walter de Clifford, son of Richard fitz Poncius donated the mill of Rochford to Haughmond Abbey.

·         Eustacia de Say, mother of Hugh, was the source of the “de Say” name.

·         Eustucia de Say, d/o Theodoric de Say, lord of Stokesay, s/o Picot de Say.

·         1156, Theodoric de Say gave the advowson of Stokesay to the abbey of Hughmond. (S) Historical Sketch of Stokesay Castle, Wright, 1906, P8.

Children of Hugh and Lucy:

i. Hugh de Say (19989856), born ~1170 in England.

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