Saturday, May 12, 2012

G26: 60845576 Say


60845576. William de Say & 60845577. Elizabeth ?

11/20/1253, William born in England, heir & s/o 121691152. William de Say & 121691153. Sibyl ?.

Aft. 1/30/1268, William’s father died.

2/12/1272, Grant to Poncius de Mora, king’s merchant, of the lands and heirs of William de Say, who held in chief. (S) CPRs.

11/16/1272, Edward I ascended to the throne while on crusade.               

9/20/1273, To the Sheriffs of Middlesex. William de Say, son and heir of William de Say, has shown the king  that the late king demised to Poncius de la More the lands belonging to William, a minor in his wardship, and William bought the custody and is still underage, and he will be of full age in a year from St. Edmund next, … the king orders the sheriffs to desist from distraining William for his ancestors’ debts. (S) CCRs.

6/1277, William fought in Wales. King Edward was in Chester where he cleared a road through a dense forest, and started construction on the castles of Flint and Rhuddlan. King Edward made forays into the Welsh lands of Llywelyn ap Gruffydd, prince of Wales, capturing Snowdonia and the isle of Anglesey. (S) English Aristocracy at War, Simpkin, 2008, P11.

4/20/1279, Amice de Say … owes … 350 marks … pledges to wit, John le Mareschal, William de Say, … (S) CCRs.

6/4/1280, William de Say a surety for John le Mareschal who owed 1000 marks. (S) CCRs.

10/21/1280 in London, Letter of William, son of William de Say, notification of a grant to William de la Forde. (S) Calendar of the Cartularies of John Pyel, 1993.

10/10/1273, Pledges for Richard de la Vache … William son of William de Say of co. Essex … (S) CCRs.

10/13/1282, Enrolment of release by John son of John de Lodney to Roger Bygod, earl of Norfolk, … Witnesses : Sir John de Wallibus, Sir Peter de Monte Forti, Sir William de Say, Sir Nicholas de Stoteville, Sir Roger de Hales, … knights, … (S) CCRs.

1282, William fought in Wales. King Edward left for a Wales expedition taking Queen Eleanor and daughter Eleanor. Edward set up residence at Rhudlan castle, Flintshire.

12/1282, King Edward defeated Llewelyn ap Gruffydd at the battle of Radnor in eastern Wales.

1283, King Edward continued his Welsh campaign, capturing Dafydd, brother of Llewelyn; completing the conquest of Wales.

6/28/1283, William de Say summoned to Shrewsbury by writ from Rhuddlan to the king to hold a colloquium to ordain what should be done with David, brother of Llewellyn, formerly prince of Wales. (S) The Titular Barony of Clavering, 1891, P16.

1284, William de Say, lord of Edmonton, surrendered timber and herbage rights in Enfield park in return for 20 cartloads of brushwood a year from the chase of Enfield. (S) History of the County of Middlesex, V5, 1976, P158.

1285, Order to cause William de Say to have 4 bucks form the forest of Essex of the king’s gift. (S) CCRs.

3/15/1286, IPM of Sir Robert de Aguylon: … Edmonton, com. Midd. … 9 acres of meadow … held of William de Say … (S) Pubs.: Camden Series, V33, 2012, P71.

6/28/1289, William de Say, knight, and Alexander de Thaney, knight, acknowledge that they owe Edmund the king’s brother 100 marks. (S) CCRs.

1292, The wardship of Roger, son of Adam de Bavent of Sussex, disputed between William de Say and the King. (S) Battle Abbey Roll, V1, P108.

6/14/1293, Writ to William de Say to attend the king at Portsmouth in the first of September with horse and arms to proceed for the defence of Gascony against the king of France. (S) History of the County of Kent, Dunkin, 1855, P31.

6/8/1294, William summoned to parliament.

11/1294, The jurors say William de say claimed to have view of frankpledge, the exaction of compensation for breaking the assize of bread and ale, … in the Half-hundred of Edmonton. (S) Calendar of the Cartularies of John Pyel, 1993, P431.

Bef. 9/16/1295, “William de Say: Kent, Sussex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex” died; Elizabeth named an executor. (S) UKNA.

10/20/1295, Order to deliver to Elizabeth, late the wife of William de Say, the manor of Codeham, co. Kent … Hammes, co. Sussex, … Berling, co. Kent, which the king has assigned in dower. (S) CCRs.

7/7/1297, Elizabeth living.

(S) Magna Carta Ancestry, P728.

Family notes:

·         There is a William de Say prominent in Ireland in 1276-80, at the same time this William was serving in Wales.

Child of William and Elizabeth:

i. Geoffrey de Say (30422788), born 1281 in England.

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