Monday, February 18, 2013

G28: 243382304 Say


243382304. Sir Geoffrey de Say

~1180, Geoffrey born in England, eldest surviving s/o §Geoffrey de Say.
9/3/1189, Richard I succeeded King Henry II of England.
1197-1198, Geoffrey confirmed his father's grant of the manor of Rickling, Essex, to his younger half-brother, also named Geoffrey de Say.
1198, Geoffrey and his father, Geoffrey de Say the elder – son of William de Say, made a grant to the hospital of Drincourt, providing for prayers for the soul of Alice de Cheyne, mother of the younger Geoffrey.
5/27/1199, John succeeded King Richard I of England.
Aft. 7/1214, Geoffrey’s father died.
1214, Geoffrey made a fine of 400 marks to have his father’s lands.
1215, Geoffrey joined the confederacy of barons against King John.
6/15/1215 at Runnymead, King John forced to sign the Magna Carta.
10/17/1215, Geoffrey’s lands were granted to Peter de Craon.
11/20/1215 at Bury St. Edmunds, Geoffrey elected as one of the 25 to guarantee observance of the Magna Carta. (S) History, Gazeteer and Dir. of Suffolk, 1874, P565.
10/28/1216, Henry III, age 9, crowned king of England.
9/14/1217, Geoffrey’s lands restored.
5/15/1218, Pledges for Robert Marmion taken in court: … Geoffrey de Say for 20 m. (S) FRsHIII.
1219, Geoffrey went on a pilgrimage to the holy lands.
1221, Geoffrey at the siege of Bytham castle.
10/20/1222, Geoffrey granted a market at Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire. (S) Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs.
1223, Geoffrey went on a pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostella, Spain.
1224, Geoffrey held 42 knight’s fees in the scutage of Montgomery.
3/1/1228, The king has committed the manor of Lesnes with appurtenances to Rose, wife of Richard of Chilham , which they recovered by a duel against Robert fitz Walter, … she has found the king Geoffrey de Say, John of Shillingham and William de Lisle as her pledges, namely 20 m. from each pledge. (S) FRsHIII.
4/3/1228, To the sheriff of Kent, concerning taking a moiety of Patrixbourne, which is an escheat of the king and which Geoffrey de Say holds etc., into the king’s hand. (S) FRsHIII.
4/30/1230, From Portsmouth, Geoffrey in the army of King Henry, invading Brittany in hopes of recovering Normandy. They established their camp at Nantes, and captured a small castle.
8/19/1230, Geoffrey of Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, West Greenwich, Kent and Sussex died while on service in Poitou, France; buried at the Hospital of St. Mary, Dover. [King Henry returned his army to England the following October.]
(S) Magna Carta Ancestry, P727.

Family notes:

·         Geoffrey de Say [the father] of Edmonton, Middlesex; and Sawbridgeworth, Herefordshire.
·         1180, Geoffrey de Say and his wife Adeliza made an agreement with the priory of Wenlock. (S) Court, Household, and Itinerary of King Henry II, Eyton, 1878, P238.
·         11/14/1189, Beatrice de Say’s cousin William de Mandeville, earl of Essex, died without heirs.
·         By 12/5/1189, Beatrice and her uncle Geoffrey de Say were the heirs [‘both of the same stock’], for a fine of 7000 marks. [Beatrice d/o William de Say of Kimbolton, Huntingdonshire; and Saham, Norfolk.]
·         11/23/1191, By writ of King Richard, Geoffrey [who could not pay] turned the barony over to William Longchamp.
·         1212, Geoffry de Say again brought suit for the barony of Mandeville.
·         7/1214, Geoffrey de Say [the father] seeks a writ against Geoffrey de Mandeville, claiming the loss of the barony on a technicality, offered 15,000 marks for the recognition that he had been disseized ‘voluntarie.’
·         (S) Judges & Common Law, Turner, 2003, P296ff. (S) HSJ, V10, 2001, P168.

Children of Geoffrey and ?:
i. William de Say (121691152), born ~1205 in England.

9/20/1230, Upon the death of Geoffrey de Say, the king took the homage of William de Say, his son and heir, for all that Geoffrey held of the king in chief. (S) FRsHIII. [Writs to the sheriffs of Bedfordshire, Kent, Middlesex and Herefordshire.]

ii. Geoffrey de Say, born ? in England.

3/20/1235, Inspeximus … Maud de Mandeville, countess of Hereford and Essex, … Witnesses, William de Say, Geoffrey de Say, … (S) CChRs.
10/14/1246, Geoffrey de Say, brother of William de Say, gave a bond to Aaron son of Abraham the Jew for £30.

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