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Monday, June 6, 2011

Lord William de Fiennes & Joan de Say

7605696. Lord William de Fiennes & 7605697. Joan de Say

1/24/1327, Edward III, age 14, succeeded Edward II as King of England.

2/2/1331, William Fenys born in England, 2nd s/o 15211392. John de Fiennes & 15211393. Maud de Monceux.

~1335, Joan born in England, d/o 15211394. Geoffrey de Say & 15211395. Maud de Beauchamp.

1337, John de Fyenles and Maud his wife v. Thomas de Fyenles; manors of Asshehalle in Essex and Compton Mounceauxin Hants, and manor and advowson of church of Hurst Mounceauxin, Sussex; to John and Maud and heirs of their bodies, contingent remainders in succession to John son of said John, William and Robert his brothers, Joan his sister, heirs of their bodies, or right heirs of [John de Fyenles]. (S) Feet of Fines for the Co. of Sussex.

1348, The Black Death entered the west countryside of England [likely entering through Bristol].

By 1351, William’s brother John died leaving William as the heir.

4/5/1351, William age 21 at the death of his father inheriting the manor of Compton Monceux.

7/14/1351, IPM of John de Fienles or Fyenles. Sussex: Hurstmonceux. The manor, … with remainders to John son of the said John and the heirs of his body, and William brother of the said John son of John, who survives, and the heirs of his body … William de Fyenles, son of John de Fyenles, brother (fratris sic) of John son of John de Fyenles, aged 21 years at the Purification last, is his heir in blood and in tail. … (S) CIsPM.

6/12/1353, Inquisition by the escheator of Berkshire: John de Fyenles held in chief of Queen Philippa in his demesne as of fee on the day of his death the bailiwick of the forestership of Twychene and Cotham in Berkshire by service of 10s to be paid yearly at Windsor castle and other lands. William is his son and heir. … Order to cause William son of John de Fyenles to have seisin of the bailiwick of the forestership of Twychene … the king has taken William’s fealty. (S) CCRs.

By 1355, William married Joan.

8/1/1357, Robert Megeham did homage to William de Fienles at Hurstmonceux on the day of son William’s birth. (S) Proof of age of son William.

12/2/1359, William died overseas.

4/18/1360, Writ for IPM of William de Feynles. Southampton: Compton Monceaux. The manor … He died in parts beyond the sea on 2 December last. John Fyenles his son, aged 4 years and more, is his heir. Oxford: Lynham. The manor … Ascote. The manor … Berks: Wyndesore forest. The office of forester … Wolvele. The manor … Sussex: Hurstmoncealxs. The manor … (S) CIsPM.


7/10/1360, Writ to the escheator in Sussex to assign dower to Joan, late the wife of William de Fyenles, after having received her oath not to marry without the king’s licence. (S) CIsPM of William.

Joan married 2nd Sir Stephen de Valence (Valognes). [1 daughter]

2/16/1370, IPM of Adam de Sahreshull. Oxford: … Escote. The manor, … the reversion to the said William de Fienlys and Joan his wife … William is dead, and the reversion ought to fall to Joan, who is now the wife of Stephen de Valence, for her life …  and after her death to John son and heir of the said William, who is a minor aged 13 years and more in the king’s wardship. (S) CIsPM.

10/18/1370, To escheator in Oxfordshire. Order to take into the king's hand the manors of Escote and Lynham … and to deliver them with the said issues to Stephen de Valence and Joan his wife to hold during her life … which are of the heritage of John de Fienes a minor in the king's wardship … gave the said reversion to the said William Fienles (now deceased) and Joan his wife, whom Stephen de Valence has now taken to wife … (S) CCRs.

6/29/1378, Joan died. (S) IPM of son John.

7/18/1378, Writ for IPM of Joan late the wife of Stephen de Valence, ' chivaler', in Kent. (S) CFRs.

 (S) Magna Carta Ancestry, P729. (S) Hist. of Count Berkshire, V3, 1923, White Waltham.

Children of William and Joan: [2 sons]

i. John de Fienles, born 7/1356 in England.

3/24/1378, John died a minor in the king’s ward, his brother William his heir. (S) UKNA.

9/22/1378, IPM of John, son and heir of William de Fienles, knight. Oxford: Joan late the wife of Stephen de Vaylaunce held the under-mentioned manors for life … The said John died on 24 March, 49 Edward III. The aforesaid William, his brother, aged 21 years and more, is his heir. … Sussex: … The other third part of Hurstmonceux was held in dower by Joan, his mother, late the wife of William de Fienles. She died on the feast of SS. Peter and Paul last. … (S) CIsPM.

ii. William Fiennes (3802848), born 8/1/1357 in Sussex, England.