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Sunday, August 30, 2020

Baron William de Say & Lady Beatrix de Mandeville

 79959336. Baron William de Say & 79959337. Lady Beatrix de Mandeville

~1117, Guillaume de Say born in England, s/o 159918672. Jordan de Say & 159918673. Lucy d’Aunay.

~1120, Beatrix born in England, d/o 159918674. William de Mandeville & 159918675. Marguerite de Rei.


Beatrix 1st married Lord Hugh de Talbot of Normandy.

Beatrix divorced Hugh and returned to England.

Aft. 7/15/1131, William’s father died.

[––William & Beatrix––]

~1136, William married Beatrix.

1141-42, Empress Matilda made grants of property, including a grant of lands to Willelmus de Sai. (S) FMG.

1143, King Stephen imprisoned Beatrix’s brother Geoffrey, earl of Essex; and seized some of his lands.

1143-44, William, rebelling against King Stephen, and controlling a large number of knights, began to attack the local barons supporting the King. (S) Book of the Foundation of Walden Monastery, Greenway, 1999.

9/1144, William fought at the siege of Burwell castle, Cambridgeshire. (S) FMG.

9/14/1144, Beatrix’s brother, Geoffrey de Mandeville (756473352), earl of Essex, killed at the siege of Burwell, his son Geoffrey succeeding. [Geoffrey would die leaving his brother William as heir, and he would die leaving Beatrix as heiress.]

1147, A listing of property of Walden abbey, quoting a charter of Stephen King of England dated 1147, that ‘sororem suam … Beatricem’ (referring to ‘Galfridus Essexiæ comes’) married ‘Hugoni Talebot’ from whom she was divorced and secondly ‘Willielmo de Saye’. (S) FMG.

10/25/1154, Henry II succeeded Stephen as King of England.

1155, William died. (S) FMG. [Domesday Descendants cites a charter of St Neots showing William de Say surviving his brother-in-law Geoffrey de Mandeville by a few years.]


By 1160, An agreement between Ramsey abbey and William de Say and his mother Beatrice. William to assigned to the abbey a mark of rent in the hundred of Clackclose, Norfolk, and promised to give another mark as soon as he could acquire 40 marks of land of his inheritance, from the land of Robert de Rumele, being excepted on the day of the agreement. (S) Early Yorkshire Charters, Farrer, V7, 2013, P31.

1185, Beatricia de Say … ‘iiii.xx. annorum’ and ‘terra sua de Riklinge’. (S) FMG.

11/14/1189, Beatrix, of an elderly age, heiress of her nephew William de Mandeville, Earl of Essex. Her son Geoffrey allowed to occupy her place in view of her age. (S) FMG. (S) Environs of London, V2, Middlesex, 1795, Edmonton.

[Undated], Beatrix de Say, ‘soror fundatoris nostri et uxor Willielmi de Say’ died, buried in the Walden abbey, Essex. (S) FMG. [‘founder’s sister and wife of William de Say’. Beatrice (189118339), granddaughter of Beatrice, d/o son William was the other heir.]

By 1200, Beatrix de Say, soror fundatoris nostri et uxor Willielmi de Say died, buried in Walden abbey.

(S) Magna Charta Barons, Browing, 1969, P113.

Children of William and Beatrix:

i. Lord William de Say (378236678), born ~1138 in England.

ii. Jordan de Say, born ? in England.

Aft. 1177, ‘Iordanus de Sai’ donated ‘ecclesiam de Sulethorn’ to Eynsham abbey, for the soul of ‘filii Willelmi’ on his burial at the monastery. (S) FMG.

Bef. 1189, Jordan died. [Not an heir to William de Mandeville, earl of Essex.]

iii. Geoffrey de Say (39979668), born ~1145 in England.

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