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Sunday, May 23, 2010

Lord Lucas de Poynings & Isabel de Saint John

624674. Lord Lucas de Poynings & 624675. Isabel de Saint John   

~1325, Luke born in England, s/o 1249348. Thomas de Poynings & 1249349. Agnes de Rokesley.

1/24/1327, Edward III succeeded Edward II as King of England.

1333, Isabel born in England, d/o 1249350. Hugh de Saint John & 1249351. Mirabel Wake.

Bef. 10/25/1335, Isabel’s father died; her brother Edmund the heir.

10/17/1339, Lucas’ father died in a sea battle off the coast of France, his older brother Michael (15211386) the heir.

1347, Isabel age 14, heir to her brother Edmund, 3rd Lord Basing.

[––Isabel & Henry––]

Bef. 8/1347, Isabel married Henry de Burghersh, s/o Elizabeth de Verdun, d/o 2498690. Thebaud de Verdun & 2498691. Elizabeth de Clare.

4/12/1348, To Henry Sturmy, escheator in co. Southampton. Order pursuant to an inquisition made by him showing'that Edward de Sancto Johanne held the manor of Shirebourn, co. Southampton, for life by grant of John de Sancto Johanne, his brother, (except the parks of Pryvet and Mourgarston and the fishpond of the manor), of the inheritance of Margaret, elder sister and heir of Edmund de Sancto Johanne, whom John do Sancto Philberto has taken to wife, and of Isabel, the other sister and heir, whom Henry do Burghersh has taken to wife … to make partition … (S) CFRs.

11/1348, Henry died [no children.]

[––Lucas & Isabel––]

Bef. 1/29/1349, Luke married Isabel; by right of his wife of Basing, Hampshire, Halnaker, Sussex, …

3/9/1349, To Henry Sturmy, escheator in co. Southampton. Order not to meddle further ... restoring ... to Luke de Ponynges and Isabel his wife, late the wife of Henry de Burgherssh ... (S) CCRs.

3/10/1349, To Henry Sturmy, escheator in co. Southampton. Order to make partition of the manor of Shirbourn, late of Edward de Sancto Johanne, between John de Sancto Philberto and Margaret his wife, elder sister and heir of Edmund de Sancto Johanne, and Henry de Burgherssh and Isabel his wife, second sister and heir,—on the petition of the said John and Margaret, of Luke de Ponynges, who has now taken Isabel to wife, and of the said Isabel, showing that Henry died before the said order [of 4/12/1348] was executed,—to make partition thereof between the said heirs and parceners in like terms; Luke having done fealty. (S) CFRs.

3/13/1349, To Henry Sturmy, escheator in co. Southampton. Order to make a legal partition of the knights’ fees ... which belonged to Hugh de Sancto Johanne ... 2 equal parts ... John de Sancto Philberto and Margaret his wife, eldest sister and heir of Edmund son of Hugh ... and Luke de Ponynges and Isabel his wife, Edmund’s second sister ... (S) CCRs.

4/2/1349, Enrolment of the partition of the knights' fees and advowsons which belonged to Hugh de Sancto Johanne … The purparty of John de Sancto Philberto and Margaret: 19+ …  Luke de Ponyngges and Isabel his wife: 17+ … (S) CCRs.

6/1349, The Plague reached Dorset, and had spread across England by the end of 1349.

1354, Luke, Keeper of the forest in Hampshire. [1330 & 1354 only 2 years of eyre forest pleas in Hampshire under Edward III.]

6/26/1355, Enrolment of partition of the reversions of the lands which belonged to Hugh de Sancto Johanne, tenant in chief, between John de Sancto Philberto and Margaret his wife, eldest sister and heir, Luke de Ponyngges and Isabel his wife, second sister and heir of Edmund, Hugh’s son and heir, who died a minor in the king’s wardship, … The manors of Chauton and Lydshute, which Thomas de Aspale and Mirabilla his wife hold as Mirabilla’s dower of that inheritance, of the gift of Hugh de Sancto Johanne, formerly her husband, father of Margaret and Isabel. (S) CCRs, V33.

1357-58, John de Sancto Philiberto and Margaret his wife to grant 9¾ knights' fees in Kingsdown, Tong, Ham, Pising [in East Langdon], Bettesshanger, Murston, and Bicknor to Luke de Ponyngges, Isabel his wife, and the heirs of their bodies, with remainder to the right heirs of the said Luke. (S) UKNA.

1358, Luke preparing to travel abroad.

5/12/1361 at Halfnaked, Sussex, Sir Luke de Ponyngges, lord of Halnaker, to Robert de Esshynge, mason ... (S) UKNA.

1361, Isabel heir to her nephew John de St. John, s/o her sister Margaret.

12/3/1362, To escheator in the county of Suthampton. Order to cause Luke de Ponynges and Isabel de Sancto Johanne his wife, sister and heir of Edmund de Sancto Johanne, to have seisin of the manor of Bromley taken into the king's hand by the death of Elizabeth who was wife of the said Edmund … (S) CCRs.

1367-75, “Luce de Ponynges” summoned to parliament, 4th Lord Saint John of Basing. (S) A Perfect Copy of All Summons, Dugdale, 1685.

1369, Luke held ½ fee of Compton manor in right of his wife, heir to Henry de Burghersh.

1370, Luke took 10 men at arms overseas in military service, receiving £33 6s 8d in expense money. (S) Issue Roll of Thomas de Brantingham, Devon, 1835, P486.

9/19/1370, Edward, the Black Prince besieges Limoges in France.

5/20/1371, Writ to the escheator to assign dower to the said Margaret in the presence of Luke de Ponynges, to whom the king has committed the custody of the lands late of William de Ferrers [Leicester]. (S) IsPM, Edward III, File 219.

9/26/1372, Luke de Ponynges the patron of Chawton Manor. (S) Chawtin Manor and Its Owners, Leigh, 2014, P180.

1374, Thomas atte More died holding part of a fee at Crocker Hill of Sir Luke de Ponynges. (S) Boxgrove Parish, Hist. of Strettington.

6/5/1376, Luke wrote his will: to be buried in the Church of Boxgrave Priory [changed his mind before he died] ... Isabela excecutor ... Thomas his son 100 marks ... his grandson Luke 20 marks, (S) Arch. Journal, V11, 1854, P47.

6/1376, Luke died; buried at Warnford, Hampshire.


4/23/1377, “Debtor: Isabel Poynings, lady of St John, formerly the wife of Luke de Poynings, knight, …, executors of Luke de Poynings. Amount: £460.” (S) UKNA.

1378, Isabel de Ponynges, Lady of Saint John granted one messuage and two crofts of land in Bramley, Hampshire to Humphrey Gylot.

6/21/1377, Richard II succeeded Edward III as King of England.

1380, Isabel "widow of Luke de Ponynges knight" was engaged in a lawsuit.

2/4/1381, Lady Isabel de Ponynges and St. John presented to the church of Warnford, Hampshire.

Isabel married Thomas Wortynge.

1382, Richard Chaunse sued Thomas de Wortynge of Basingstok, Hampshire, knight, and Isabell his wife.

1386, Master Robert Branche, ... sued Thomas Wortynge of Basonestoke knight and Isabell his wife in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt.

1387, Sir Thomas de Wortynge, kt. presented to the church of Warnford, Hampshire, in right of his wife, Isabel de Ponynges, lady St. John.

6/16/1390, Whereas … and also to Thomas Wortyng, knight, and Isabella his wife, daughter and heir of Hugh de Sancto Johanne, knight, late lord of Basyng, … (S) CPRs.

Sir Thomas Wortynge died.

12/20/1390, William de Wykeham, Bishop of Winchester discharged Thomas’ widow and executrix, Isabel.

10/16/1393, Isabel died.

11/3/1394, IPM of Isabel de St. John, late the wife of Luke de Ponynges, knight. ... Hertford: Thomas de Ponynges, knight, her son, and Joan his wife, both still living, ... Berks: ... Cambridge: ... Warwick: One knight’s fee, held at the time of her death by Lawrence Trussell and Maud his wife, and formerly by Giles de Charnelles. ... Kent: ... Heir as above, aged 36 years and more ... Sussex: ... a knight’s fee, as of the fee of Robert de Monte Alto ... Hants: ... (S) CIsPM.

(S) Magna Carta Ancestry, P647.

Children of Luke and Isabel:

i. Joan de Poynings (312337), born ~1355 in England.

ii. Thomas Poynings, born 1358 in England.

Thomas married Joan le Strange.

1381, Thomas authorized to give his underage son Luke money left to him by his grandfather Luke’s will.

10/11/1391, Debtor: Thomas de Poynings, knight, lord Saint John ... £500. (S) UKNA.

11/3/1394, Thomas and Joan named in the IPM of his mother.

Thomas married 2nd Philippe Mortimer [her 3rd], d/o 7605294. Earl Edmund de Mortimer & 7605295. Philippe of Clarence.

3/7/1428, Thomas, 5th Lord St. John of Basing, died.

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