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Wednesday, May 26, 2010

Sir Edmund Thorp & Joan de Northwood

738778. Sir Edmund Thorp & 738779. Joan de Northwood

1369, Edmund born in England, s/o 1477556. Sir Edmund Thorpe & 1477557. Margaret de la Rivere.

~1370, Joan born in England, d/o 1477558. Sir John de Northwood & 1477559. Joan Hert.

7/16/1377, Richard II, age 10, crowned king of England.

2/28/1378, Joan not married; named in her father’s will.

Joan 1st married Roger, 4th Lord Scales, s/o 2955074. Lord Robert de Scales. [1 son, Robert, Lord Scales; 1 daughter, Katherine “Savage”.]

1387, Roger died.

5/19/1387, Order to the escheators of Norfolk and Suffolk to take into the king’s hands the lands of Roger de Scales, who held in chief of the king on the day he died. (S) CFRs.

 [––Edmund & Joan––]

1387, Edmund married Joan. (S) Parishes: Whittlesford, A Hist. of the County of Cambridge and the Isle of Ely: V6, 1978.

1387, Roger de Scales, knight: Essex, Hertfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Suffolk, Norfolk: Assignment of dower to his widow Joan, now wife of Edmund de Thorp. (S) UKNA.

By 1388, Edward knighted.

3/3/1388, Pardon, for £20. Paid to the king, to Edmund de Thorpe, knight, the younger, and Joan, late the wife of Roger de Scales, knight, tenant-in-chief, for intermarrying without licence. (S) CPRs.

10/1389, William Gerberge, son of Roger Gerberge knight … Witnesses: …, Sir Edmund Thorp the younger, … knights. (S) CCRs.

1/7/1392, Grant, for life, to Edmund Thorp, because retained to stay with the king for life, of 50 marks a year at the Exchequer.

3/1/1392, Commission of array … Edmund de Thorpe the younger … Norfolk. (S) CPRs.

9/3/1392, Inspeximus and confirmation to the mayor and burgesses of Lenn Episcopi, … Witnessed by John de Ingaldesthorp, Edmund de Thorpe the younger, John Lestraunge, … knights, … (S) CPRs.

1393, Edmund’s father died.

1394, Joan bought Whittlesford from Sir George Muschet.

1395, John de Dunston and Maud his wife settled Dunstan manor, Norfolk, by fine on Sir Edmund de Thorp and his trustees.

1397, “The Baliffs this year accounted for certain sums of money … for a grand breakfast made at Norwich for Sir Edmund de Thorp, Sir Rob. De Berneye, Sir Ralf de Shelton, Sir John White, Knts. the sheriff of Norfolk, the mayor of Lyn, and many other nobility and gentry of the city and country, 34s. 7d.” (S) Topographical Hist. of the County of Norfolk, 1806, P114.

1/31/1399, Nicholas Dagworth and Edmund Thorp knights to receive £13 4s for 33 days at parliament [which began at Westminster and ended at Shrewsbury] representing Norffolk. (S) CCRs.

2/1399, Edmund’s paternal grandmother Joan [Banard] died.

4/18/1399, Edmund Thorpe, knight, nominating an attorney for going to Ireland with the king. (S) CPRs. Edmund, “going beyond sea”, he made his will, and gave Ashwelthorpe for life to his wife.” (S) Hist. of the County of Norfolk, V9, 1808. [King Richard II overthrown while away on this trip.]

9/29/1399, Imprisoned Richard II resigned as king of England.

10/13/1399, Henry IV crowned king of England.

12/6/1399, Grant for life to the king’s knight Edmund de Thorp, whom the king has retained for life, of 100 marks yearly … (S) CPRs. [1st granted 11/22/1399 from a different source.]

4/14/1400, Edmund Thorpe, ‘chavaler’, appointed to a commission in Norfolk. (S) CPRs.

8/1/1400, Edmund appointed Mayor of Bordeaux. (S) Histoire de Bordeaux, ├ęd. Y Renouard, 1965.

1401, Sir Edmund held Wittlesford in right of his wife.

8/29/1401, Poncius sieur de Castelhon and Edmund Thorp knight to the king. Recognisance for £40, to be levied etc. in the city of London. (S) CCRs.

7/16/1402, Petitioner: Edmund Thorp (Thorpe), Mayor of Bordeaux. To the King. Edmund Thorp, Mayor of Bordeaux, states that he has been deprived of his office as a result of false accusations ... (S) UKNA.

1406, Bunwell manor, Norfolk, settled by Sir Edmund de Thorp, senior, on Thomas de Thorp, his second son, with remainder to Sir Edmund Thorp, Knt. his eldest son.

1/24/1407, IPM of Margaret, widow of Thomas de Bello Campo, earl of Warwick. … Cambridge: … Whittlesford, 1/4 fee held by Edmund Thorp, knight, in right of his wife, extending at 40 marks. (S) CIsPM.

5/1/1409, Edmund Thorp, kt and wife Joan, pls. John Spenser and wife Katherine, defs. Manor of Stonham Aspall alias Stonham Antegayn and advowson of Stonham Antegayn church. (S) CCRs.

4/9/1413, Henry V crowned king of England.

9/30/1413, Edmund’s grant of 100 marks yearly in 1399 confirmed.

1414, The advowson of Great Wrenningham conveyed to Sir Edmund Thorp by the prioress with the consent of the Convent.

9/1414, Joan wrote her will leaving Wittlesford to Edmund for life:  Joan Lady Scales', wife of Edmond le Thorp, Knight, on the Feast of St. Michael ', 1414. My body to be buried in the cemetery of the Parish Church of Ashwellthorpe ; and I bequeath xx£. for the building of my tomb. I will that my debts and legacies be paid out of the rents and profits of the manor of Stonham, if my said Lord will permit; if not, I will that the manor of Cowling be sold, and that the said Edtuond Thorpe have cc marks, if so much remain after fulfilling my will; but if the said legacies, &c. be paid out of the manor of Stonham, then I will that my said husband have the manor of Cowling to him and his heirs for ever. Also I will that my said husband have the manors of Stonham and Wy klyfford for life, with remainder of the said manor of Stonham to Robert Scales, and the heirs of his body; remainder to Lady Katherine Savage for life, remainder to our "daughter Isabella, and to the heirs of her body ; but if she die without issue, then I desire that the said manor of Stonham be sold for pious uses, and for the health of the soul of Lord Scales, my late husband. Also I will that the said manors of Stonham and Wyklyfford be held by my feoffees for one year after my husband Thorpe's death, for the payment of his debts. Also I bequeath the manor of Wyklyfford, after that time, to my daughter, Lady Joan, if living, for 3 years; with remainder to our daughter Isabella, if alive, for 3 years ; remainder to my daughter, Katherine Savage 3, for two years ; remainder to Robert Scales, and the heirs male of his body lawfully begotten ; remainder to our daughter Joan, and the heirs male of her body lawfully begotten; remainder to our daughter Isabella, and the heirs male of her body lawfully begotten. In witness, &c. I have, with the consent of the said Edmorid Thorpe, my husband, affixed my seal. And I, Edmond Thorpe, Knight, having full knowledge of the contents, have, in token of such consent, affixed my seal.

1/4/1415, Joan died, buried by her order in Ashwell-thorp churchyard.


4/21/1415, Edmund Thorpe, Knight, “having full knowledge of the contents”, proved Joan’s will.

1415, Edmund Oldhall and John Drew, parson of Harpley, feoffees of John Bozun, conveyed Belhouse-Hall manor to Sir Edmund de Thorp, Knt. and his heirs.

6/15/1415, Arnald Savage, knight, in the retinue of Edmund Thorpe, knight, Lt. of the Earl of Dorset. (S) Ann. Rpt. Deputy Keeper. V44, 1882, P565.

8/13/1415, Edmund in King Henry V’s force of 12,000 landing at the mouth of the Seine at Harfleur.

9/22/1415, English capture Harfleur after a siege.

10/25/1415, Edmund fought at the battle of Agincourt. (S) A Guided Tour of All Saints.

8/15/1416, Battle of the Seine Estuary near Harfleur helped Henry V achieve mastery of the seas. The English fleet met about 150 French ships. While the English ships were smaller, the surprise attack in the shallow estuary proved a significant advantage in maneuverability. After 7 hours the English captured 3 of the 8 large Genoese carracks, and ran another aground. The English lost about 20 ships. They were then able to relieve the garrison at Harfleur.

1416, Indentures between the king and the following for war-service, (for the relief of Harfleur). Edmund Thorp, knight. (S) UKNA.

4/28/1417, Edmund appointed with John Neville and John Kemp to work a truce between the Duke of Burgandy and Henry V. (S) Ann. Rpt. Deputy Keeper. V41, 1880, P683.

6/9/1417, at Louviers, France. Commission to Thomas de Carue, knight, ... to arrary the men of Gilbert Umfreville, Henry Bromflete, John Blaket, Richard Arundell, and Edmund Thorpe, knights. (S) Ann. Rpt. Deputy Keeper. V41, 1880, P711.

10/27/1417, in France, Edmund appointed to a commission of array.

1417, Edmund killed at the siege of Louvier castle, Normandy, France; buried at Ashwelthorpe church with Joan. [Edmund’s effigy has a Collar of Esses, a badge of the house of Lancaster.]

1418, . …, Sir Edmund Barry, Knt. John Lancaster, Esq. …, trustees to Sir Edmund de Thorp, Knt.

(S) The Hist. of Norfolk, Mason, 1885, P59. (S) Visitation of Norfolk. (S) Testamenta Vetusta, Nicolas, 1826, P184.

Children of Edmund and Joan:

i. Joan Thorp, born ? in England.

Joan married 1st Sir Robert Echingham, s/o 1477624. Sir William de Echingham & 1477625. Elizabeth de Criol.

Joan married 2nd Sir John Clifton. (S) Baronia Anglica, V1, Banks, 1844, P158.

By 1436, Joan died, Isabel becoming the heiress. (S) Hist. of Norfolk, V1, Mason, 1885, P60.

ii. Isabel Thorp (369389), born ~1400 in England.