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Tuesday, June 22, 2010

Thomas Carmynow Esq. & Joan Hill

1901394. Thomas Carmynow Esq. & 1901395. Joan Hill

1396, Thomas born in England, 2nd s/o 3802788. William Carminow & 3802789. Margaret Kelly.

~1400, Joan born in England, d/o 2097260. Sir Robert Hill & 3802791. Joan Bodrugan.

1407, Thomas’ father died, his older brother John the heir.

3/20/1413, Henry V succeeded Henry IV as King of England.

[––Joan & Otho––]

Joan 1st married to Otho Trevarthyan, s/o John. (S) See 6/5/1428.

10/1418, Lease by William Lord Botreaux to John Broun for life of his manor of Shepham … Witnesses: John Pile, Thomas Carmynowe, Walter Percevale. (S) CCRs.

1420, Thomas heir to his older brother’s son John.

11/10/1420, Order to the escheator in the county of Cornwall … John Carmynowe, esquire, on the day of his death … William Carmynowe, esquire, father of the said John, … and that John, … assigned a third part … to his mother Margaret late the wife of the said William, in dower ; … Thomas Carmynowe brother of the said John is the uncle and next heir of John son and heir of the said John Carmynowe, and of full age … to cause the said Thomas to have full seisin of the said two-thirds and third of the said third part of the manor of Tamerton Seynt Mary, … the king has taken the fealty of Thomas and for 1 mark … (S) CFRs.

5/6/1421, Thomas, age 25, heir to his nephew John. “Carmynowe, John, son of John, esq, and Margaret, who was the wife of William, esq: Corn, Devon.” (S) UKNA, IPM.

[––Thomas & Joan––]

Thomas married 2nd Joan.

8/31/1422, Henry VI (an infant) succeeded Henry V as King of England.

12/3/1423, “Robert Hille sen. and Joan his wife. Jn. Herle, Kt. Thomas Carmynow, …” (S) UKNA.

~1425, Joan’s father died.

5/4/1427, Thomas Wyse and Margaret have acknowledged the manors, tenements, moieties, fifth part and advowson to be the right of Thomas Carmynowe, … (S) Feet of Fines.

6/5/1428, To the escheator in Cornwall. Order to take the fealty of William Bodrugan … Joan (3802791) who was wife of Robert Hulle and daughter and heir of Otho Bodrugan at her death held the premises in dower by endowment of John Trevarthyan knight sometime her husband and by assignment of Otho Trevarthyan son and heir of the said John … who granted the reversion thereof to William Bodrugan and the others yet living … [names those deceased] … Joan late his (Otho Trevarthyan’s, 1901395) wife and now wife of Thomas Carmenou, … (S) CCRs.

1428, IPM John Chenduit. John Petit, aged 60, is his heir … John Chenduit held at his death, being jointly enfeoffed with Joan his then wife, still living, of mess’ and lands in Trymore and Penscras … remainder in default to Thomas Carmnowe, aged 30, as kinsman and heir of s’d John. [Joan d/o Sir Oliver Carminow.] (S) Visitation of the County of Cornwall, Vivian, 1874, P300.

11/16/1428, Comission … and Thomas Carmynowe, esquire, to arrest John Hauley … (S) CPRs.

7/29/1429, “John Arundell, knight … Ralph Botreaux and John Trelawny, knights, Thomas Carmynow, …” (S) UKNA, Cornwall.

3/22/1430, John Arundell knight to Thomas Arundell, … co. Cornwall, … the premises shall remain to Richard Hankeforde and to the heirs of his body …; if he shall die without issue, … the premises shall remain to Thomas Carmynowe and to the heirs of his body … [part of a long list of sequential heirs] … (S) CCRs.

7/19/1432, Thomas on a commission of oyer and terminer of an event in co. Cornwall. (S) CPRs.

2/18/1434, Robert son and heir of John Poghull to …, Thomas Carmynowe esquire, … and John Wode, their heirs and assigns. Quitclaim with warranty of the manor of Poghull and all other his messuages, … (S) CCRs.

7/6/1435, Commission to Thomas Carmynowe, … to arrest Roger Wolley … (S) CPRs.

1/18/1436, Commission of array in the county of Devon, to Thomas, earl of Devon, Philip Courtenay, knight, William Bonvill, knight, Nicholas Carreu, knight, John Dynham, knight, … Roger Chambernon, Thomas Carminowe, … [then Thomas also specified for Cornwall.] (S) CPRs.

10/1436, “Grant. 1. Thomas Carmynowe esq. Robert Hille esq. [Joan’s brother], … 2. Edward Pomeray esq. Premises: all 1.'s lands and tenements in Cheriton Fitzpaine … Witnesses: Philip Courtenay knt., James Chudlegh …” (S) UKNA.

6/26/1437, Thomas Carmynowe esquire to John Broughton esquire. Recognisance for £200, to be levied etc. in Cornwall. Before Easter Thomas Joan his wife by fine levied in the king's court shall make a release to the said John and his heirs, or to his heirs or nominees, of all manors, lands, fees and advowsons in Cornwall which were of Thomas Peyvre, … (S) CCRs. [Same date, counter fine John Broughton and Elizabeth his wife to Thomas … same properties.]

9/19/1439, Commission of oyer and terminer … on complaint by William Boneville, knight, that Thomas Carmynowe of Asshewater, co. Devon, esquire, with many others unknown, lay in wait for him divers times at … so threatened him that he dared not go about his business, carried away his good to the value of 600 marks, and assaulted and beat his men and servants. (S) CPRs.

1439-40, “Grant by Margaret, late the wife of Stephen Frenshe, daughter and heiress of John Tynten of Lansewgy, widow, to Thomas Carmynowe, esquire, of all her messuages and lands …” (S) UKNA.

1440-41, Joan died. IPM of “Carmynowe, Joan, who was the wife of the late Thomas: Corn.” (S) UKNA.


4/15/1441, …  expenses connected with the purchase of a writ of diem clausit on the death of Joan, late the wife of Thomas Carmynowe and the inquisition made thereon … [Cornwall] (S) CCRs.

2/13/1441, Anne daughter of John Basset esquire to John earl of Huntyngdoun and count of Ivory, … Witnesses: William Bonvile knight, Thomas Carmynowe, Nicholas Carmynowe, Reynold Tretherf, …, Robert Hille, … (S) CCRs.

2/18/1441, Commission … [to collect money] … intending to send [to France] the duke of York with no small army … William Bonevile, knight, … Thomas Carmynowe, … Cornwall. (S) CPRs.

1/1442, Thomas Carmynow and Robert Hill members of parliament for Devon. (S) Reports and Transactions, Devonshire Association, 1914, P491.

6/4/1442, To Thomas Carmynow, nobleman, lord of the place of Boconnok, of the diocese of Exeter. Indult to have mass celebrated before daybreak. (S) Lateran Regesta, 394.

12/21/1442, Thomas Carmynowe of Carminow, Boconnock, co. Cornwall and Ashwater, Devon, died on the Wednesday before Christmas Day.

(S) Magna Carta Ancestry, P170. (S, 950655) Visitation of Cornwall in 1620.

Children of Thomas and Joan:

i. Margaret Carminow (950655), born 1422 in England.

ii. Joan Carminow (950697), born 1427 in England.

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