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Tuesday, June 29, 2010

Baron John de Saint John & Isabel de Courtney

2498700. Baron John de Saint John & 2498701. Isabel de Courtney

1274, John de Sancto Johanne born in Southampton, England, heir & s/o 30420930. John de Saint John & 30420931. Alice Fitz Peter.

~1285, Isabel born in England, d/o 30420928. Hugh de Courtenay & 30420929. Eleanor le Despenser.

1297, John’s father captured in battle in France and imprisoned in Paris.

7/22/1298, John at the battle of Falkirk, the defeat of William Wallace. The Scots defensive position was strong, but based on spearmen with support of some cavalry and archers. Edward’s armored knights were repulsed by the amassed spear points. Edward brought up his Welsh longbowmen. They cut gaps into the Scottish ranks through which the mounted English knights could charge. The Scots were routed, but Wallace escaped.

6/1299, After the treaty of L’Aumone, John’s father was ransomed.

12/29/1299–11/12/1303, John 1st summoned to parliament by writ as “John de St. John, Junior”.

1300, John at the siege of Carlaverock castle under his father who commanded the 4th division.

8/18/1302, Certificate that Hugh atte Gole of Whappelade is going abroad with John de St John on the king's service. (S) UKNA.

10/1302, John age 28 at his father’s death.

Aft. 10/1302, Petition to the King and council by John de Saint John that no grant may be made of his lands in Glasserton, Preston or elsewhere in Scotland. (S) UKNA.

11/1/1302, Order to the escheator on this side Trent to deliver to John de Sancto Johanne, son and heir of John de Sancto Johanne, tenant in chief, the lands late of his said father, he having done homage, saving to Alice, late the wife of John, her dower. (S) CFRs. [Alice his stepmother.]

4/9/1303, … to provide victuals for John de St. John. (S) UKNA. [Wine specified in other requests.]

3/30/1304, Edward I to Robert de Brus, earl of Carrick: credence for John Botetorte who he is sending south of the Firth. Memorandum of similar letters to be sent to John de St John, John de Segrave and Robert de Clifford. (S) UKNA.

12/3/1304, Grant to John de Sancto Johanne that he may pay off what he owes … at the rate of 50 marks a year. (S) CPRs.

1305, John de St John, lieutenant of Gascony; seneschal of Gascony. (S) UKNA.

1305, “Thomas de Lancaster … Thomas was exiled by the French, and had to abandon his wife and children, who then died, as John de Haveringe can attest, and John de St John knows well. …” (S) UKNA.

3/15/1306, Pardon to Thomas de la Sale, on testimony of his service in Scotland in the company of John de Sancto Johanne … (S) CPRs.

3/18/1306, Debtor: John de St John, Thomas Paynell {Paynel}, and John de Stoke. Amount: £50. (S) UKNA. [In 1325 £10 remained unpaid.]

9/9/1306 at Henshaw under Privy Seal, King Edward I to  John de St. John: “thanks for news”. (S) UKNA.

1307, John de St John requests letters to Hugh le Despenser, Justice of the Forest, to allow him to enjoy his park within his manor of Sherborne in the county of Hampshire, which his father enclosed by the king's grace, and for which he has his charter. (S) UKNA.

10/28/1307, Protection with clause volumus, until Easter, for John de Sancto Johanne, … in the train of John de Britannia, earl of Richmond, … staying in Scotland on the king’s service. (S) CPRs.

2/25/1308, Edward II crowned king of England.

6/24/1308, “William Arnold de Saubynhak … John de St John, Seneschal of Gascony …” (S) UKNA.

By 1308, John married Isabel.

1308-09, John de Sancto Johanne and Isabel his wife v. William de Sancto Johanne; manors of Halnak, Walberton, and Bernham; to John and Isabel and heirs of John. (S) Sussex Fines, V3, 1916, no.1242.

5/29/1309, John de Sancto Johanne, going beyond seas, has letters nominating … (S) CPRs.

2/6/1311, John de Camoys (deceased) held certain lands in Hameledon of John de Sancto Johanne by knight service. (S) CFRs.

5/3/1313, John de Sancto Johanne going beyond the seas in the king’s service with Hugh le Despenser, the elder. (S) CPRs.

1316, John de St. John confirmed the grant his gggf, Baron Adam de Port (243367440), made to the church at Warnford. (S) Hist. of Hampshire, V3, 1908, Warnford.

11/22/1317, William la Zousche, John de Sancto Johanne and Edward de Sancto Johanne, knights, caused to be carried into the chamber of queen Isabel in the palace of the bishop of Hereford, wherein the queen was then lodged, 4 bags wherein were the rolls, inquisitions and other memoranda of the Chancery of Edward II taken by them in the castle of Swaneseye in Wales. (S) CFRs.

2/7/1318, Hugh Gille', chaplain of the chapel of Lord John de St. John of Chautone in Southants. (S) UKNA.

5/14/1319, John demised the manor of Erde, Kent, with the advowson to Richard But for 15 years. (S) IPM of John.

5/2/1319, … bishop of Winchester, … and John de St. John to Edward II: return to a commission to raise ships in county Southampton for the Scottish war. (S) UKNA.

6/18/1320, John de Sancto Joahnne conservator of peace for the county of Southampton. (S) CPRs.

1/15/1322, Protection for John de Sancto Johanne of Basying. By K. [In the marches of Wales on the king’s service.] (S) CPRs.

3/14/1322–10/10/1325, “John de St. John of Basing” summoned to parliament.

9/20/1322, … appointment during pleasure of John de Sancto Johanne of Basyng to be keeper of the castle of Odiham … (S) CPRs. [Held for 1 year.]

11/28/1322, Writ of aid for John de Sancto Joahanne to arrest Robert Lewer, … had attempted to seize the castle of Odiham … (S) CPRs.

2/12/1323, Licence for John de Sancto Johanne to enfeoff William de Sancto Johanne, parson of the church of Romesbury, … for the latter to regrant it to the said John and Isabella his wife …. (S) CPRs.

Isabel died.


John married 2nd Alice. [See 1329.]

11/7/1324, Licence for John de Sancto Johanne of Basyng to grant for life to Hugh son of John de Sancto Johanne of Basyng, the bailiwick of the forestership of Panbere and Evereslegh, held in chief, … by fine of 40s. (S) CPRs.

By 1329, John died.

4/4/1329, IPM of John de Sancto Johanne of Basing. Southampton: Lydeshete. The manor … held to himself and Isabel his wife, lately deceased, … Hugh his son, aged 19 years on 26 May next, is his next heir. … Chautone. The manor … held to himself and the said Isabel and the heirs of their bodies … Warneford. The manor … Basynges. The manor … Berks.: Sottewelle. A capital messuage … Kent: Erde. The manor … Sussex: Halnakede. The manor … (S) CIsPM.


1329, Alice de Seint Johan (St John), widow of John de St John requests remedy concerning her dower provision concerning the castle of Basing and also of the manors of Warnford, Chawton and Ludshott in Hampshire of which her late husband died seised. People mentioned: John de Seint Johan (St John) of Basing; Isabel de Seint Johan (St John), first wife of John de St John. (S) UKNA.

8/24/1329, Grant to Robert de Monte Alto of the wardship of the lands late of John de Sancto Johanne, … until the lawful age of the heir, … saving to Alice late the wife of the said John the lands assigned to her … (S) CFRs.

(S) Magna Carta Ancestry, P646. (S) The DNB, Smith, 1973, P147.

Family notes:

·         There is some confusion with the John de Saint John of Lageham, s/o Roger – an adherent of Simon de Montfort, an Oxfordshire house. This John was summoned to parliament in 1299, died in 1317, leaving heir a son John, age 40, who died 4/8/1349. John’s wife was named Margaret. (S) DNB, Smith, 1973, P148. [This John is always listed as “of Lageham” in the CPRs.]

Children of John and Isabel:

i. Hugh de Saint John (1249350), born 5/26/1310 in England.

ii. Margaret de Saint John (30420995), born ~1312 in England.