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Thursday, August 12, 2010

Lord William Carminow & Margaret Kelly

3802788. Lord William Carminow & 3802789. Margaret Kelly

1355, William born in Cornwall, England, 2nd s/o 7605576. Sir Walter Carminow.

By 1360, Walter and [likely] Alice deceased, William’s older btother Ralph the heir. (S) See son Ralph, 2/28/1360.

~1365, Margaret born in England, d/o §§Nicholas Kelly.

1373, William Carmynow assigned to close a road in Bocconnoe, Cornwall. (S) Lists and Indexes, V22, P667.

1377, William Carmynou involved in multiple lawsuits of novel disseisin. (S) CCRs, 11/29/1377.

11/30/1377, William Carmynou v. … tent. In Tywardraith, co. Cornwall. (S) CPRs.

5/19/1382, “Debtor: William Carminow [of Kerrier Hundred, Cornwall]. Creditor: Ralph Carminow, knight [of Mawgan-in-Meneage, Kerrier Hundred, Cornwall]. Amount: £600 of legal money.” (S) UKNA.

1382, William, Sheriff of Cornwall, traveled with the King Richard II to Paris [where Richard would marry Anne of Bohemia]. In the contingent was Sir Richard le Scrope who bore the same arms as William with a minor difference. William sued over the heraldry; but evidently lost his case.

10/9/1386, On the death of Ralph Carminowe, it was found that he was seized ..., of the Manors of Bodconnock, Glyn, Penpont and Tregesteyntyn, ... value per annum was £40. (S) Parochial Hist. of the Deanery of Trigg Manor, V2, 1876, P125. [Ralph was pulled over a cliff by a brase of Greyhounds.]

10/20/1386, IPM of Ralph Carmynou, knight. Devon: Aysshwater. Three-fourths of the manor … Cornwall: Polroda. The manor … Bodconnok, Glyn, Penpont and Tregesteyntyn. The manors, … Tamerton and Rasker. The manors, held of Thomas Carmynou in free socage. … Trevynyel. The manor, … Tynten and Trewynnok. The manors … William Carmynou, his brother, aged 31 years and more, is his heir. … (S) CIsPM.

11/22/1386, Order to John de Aston, … inquisition made by him shewing that Ralph Carmynou, '’chivaler,’ held … in Desard of the king by knight service, as of the duchy of Cornwall, … and that William Carmynou is his brother and next heir, and of full age, to take the fealty of the said William, and cause him to have full seisin of the manor, land and rent aforesaid … (S) CFRs.

9/28/1388, Commission to William Carmynowe … in Cornwall, to enquire … (S) CPRs.

11/7/1390, Commitment of the county of Devon to William Carmynowe during pleasure, so that he answer at the Exchequer as sheriff. (S) CFRs.

8/11/1391, William, Sheriff of Devon, on a commission with Philip de Courtenay and others to survey the newly found mines of gold, silver, lead, tin and other metals … and to set the necessary workmen and labourers to work for the king’s advantage. (S) CPRs, V35, P519.

5/2/1392, The Privy Council made a decision on a petition of William Carminowe, Sheriff of Devonshire, for a £60 allowance in his account in the Exchequer. (S) Proceedings and Ordinances of the Privy Council of England, 1834, P40.

9/3/1394, Gift with conditions, manors belonging to John Arundell … Edward Courtenay Earl of Devon; William Talbot, William Carmynowe, … (S) Cornwall Council.

4/19/1397, William Bodrygan, son of Odo de Bodrygan … Witnesses: William Carmynou … (S) Cornwall Council.

3/5/1401, William on a commission to enquire into a petition of John atte Wode and Margaret his wife … Cornwall … Devon … (S) CPRs, V1, P462.

5/8/1402, “Lease of wood, for term of 3 years. John Dynham, knight, Robert Maynard, … Consideration: 73 marks paid … all their wood called Suthwode iuxta Carbura in the manor of Cardynan, with free access to cut, remove and carry away the wood, for term of 3 years. Warranty. …, William Carminow, Thomas Corteys, John Moyl, …” (S) UKNA.

6/21/1405, Walter Milemede … together with the homages and all services of … and William Carminowe and their heirs … (S) Feet of Fines.

1/8/1406, Commission to Edward Courteney, earl of Devon, Edward Courteney the younger, Hugh Courteney the elder, John Arundell, … William Stourton, … William Carmynowe, … to enquire about divers congregations, riots and unlawful assemblies in the county. (S) CPRs, V40, P152.

2/3/1407, William died.

4/5/1407, Writ to escheators for IPM of William Carmynowe in Devon and Cornwall. (S) CFRs.

4/5/1407, IPM of William Carmynowe. Devon: He held the manor of Ashwater …  annual value £10. … William died on 3 Feb. last. John his son and next heir is aged 22 years and more. (S) CIsPM.


Aft. 1407, A third of the manor of Tamerton Saynt Mary in the hundred of Stratton, held in dower by Margaret who was wife of William Carmynowe. (S) UKNA.

Bef. 1420, Margaret died.

Children of William and Margaret:

i. John Carminow, born 1385 in England.

6/17/1408, … a lease thereof for 80 years to John Carmynow, son and heir of William Carmynow … (S) CCRs.

By 1413, John died leaving a son John.

11/10/1420, Order to the escheator in the county of Cornwall … John Carmynowe, esquire, on the day of his death … William Carmynowe, esquire, father of the said John, was seised … of the manor of Tamerton Seynt Mary, co. Cornwall, and gave and granted 2/3rds of the said manor to Alice late the wife of Ralph Carmynowe, knight, deceased, brother of the said William, for term of her life, … Alice (who still survives) is seised thereof ; … William died, … the manor descended to the said John, as William's son and heir ; and that John, … assigned a third part … to his mother Margaret late the wife of the said William, in dower ; and that John died seised of 2/3rds of the said third part … Thomas Carmynowe brother of the said John is the uncle and next heir of John son and heir of the said John Carmynowe, and of full age … another inquisition taken before him showing that the said 2/3rds of the third part came to the king's hand, while he was prince (i.e. bef. 1413), by the death of the said John Carmynowe and by reason of the minority of the said John the son … to cause the said Thomas to have full seisin of the said 2/3rds and third of the said third part of the manor of Tamerton Seynt Mary, … the king has taken the fealty of Thomas and for one mark … (S) CFRs.

ii. Thomas Carminow (1901394), born 1396 in England.

iii. Nicholas Carminow, born ? in England.

Nicholas married Alice Polmarva.

iv. Walter Carmynowe, born ? in England.

Walter married Jan Resprin, d/o Richard.

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