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Tuesday, August 2, 2011

Lord John de Thorp & Agnes Carleford

11820448. Lord John de Thorp & 11820449. Agnes Carleford

1269, John born in England, s/o 23640896. Robert de Thorp & 23640897. Maud ?.

~1275, Agnes born in England, d/o §§Robert Carleford of Shotesham, Norfolk.

1291, King Edward I in Scotland as arbitrator among 14 contenders for the crown of Scotland.

6/15/1291, John de Thorp staying in Scotland on the king’s service. (S) CPRs.

1293, John served with the King in Gascony.

By 1294, John married Agnes.

1294, Robert (23640896) son of Sir John de Ayshewellethorp (47281792), and Maud his wife, granted to Robert Carleford of Shotesham, Uphall manor, in exchange for the said Robert's manor of Nelonde; and the said Robert de Carleford released this manor again to Sir Robert de Thorp aforesaid, and Maud his wife. [Usually associated with a marriage arrangement.] (S) Ess. Tow’s Topo. Hist. of Norfolk, V1, 1805, Titshall.

Aft. 1294, John’s father and mother died.

5/28/1299, Commission of oyer and terminer … William de Sutton and John de Thorp, … co. Suffolk … (S) CPRs.

1299, Agnes died.


John married 2nd Alice, widow of Sir William de Mortimer.

1300-01, John de Thorp and Alice his wife v. John de Hekyngham in Heyt de Asshewelle … (S) Feet of Fines, Norfolk.

3/27/1301, Appointment of … to expedite the sending … to Berewyk-on-Tweed of the ships which the king ordered to be prepared against the Scots … John de Thorp and Peter de Donewyco to expedite … the following towns … [34 ships listed in 21 towns.] (S) CPRs.

1301, John called to military service.

9/8/1301, Scots using Comyn of Badenoch’s estate as a base, attacked Lochmaben, and then menaced the main English force at Bothwell [commanded by Lord Edward]. The Scots had 240 men-at-arms and 7000 foot soldiers. (S) A History of Dumfries and Galloway, Maxwell, 2009, P82.

7/28/1302, Snetesham and Cangham, Norfolk, 3/4 fee held by John de Thorp of the inheritance of Alice his wife. (S) IPM of Robert de Tateshale.

9/23/1303, Writ of aid … [purvey of wheat …] the sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk, under the supervision of John de Thorp and John le Breton. (S) CPRs.

5/1/1304, Writ de intendendo in favor of Roger le Bygod, earl of Norfolk and marshal of England, directed to … John de Thorp, … (S) CPRs.

1304, Uphall manor, Norfolk, settled on John and Alice. (S) Ess. Tow’s Topo. Hist. of Norfolk, V1, 1805, Titshall.

1305, John summoned to parliament as a Knight of the Shire for Norfolk.

10/14/1305, Commission of oyer and terminer … John de Thorp … } Norfolk and Suffolk. (S) CPRs.

3/6/1306, IPM of Roger son of Peter son of Osbert. Suffolk: Ilketeleshale. … writ concerning the lands &c. which the said Roger held by the courtesy of England of the inheritance of Sarra sometime his wife … Combes. The manor … … John de Thorp (11820448, b.1269) her kinsman, aged 36 and more, and … are next heirs of the said Sarra … [Bartholomew de Crek had: sons Robert, Geoffrey, John, and daughter Sarra.] … the right of the said manors reverted to Margaret (94563585) and Isabel (19989545), aunts of the said Sarra and sisters of Bartholomew her father … from the said Margaret the right of her pourparty descended to Robert (23640896) son of John (47281792) her son and heir, and from him to the aforesaid John de Thorp as his son and heir …  (S) CIsPM.

6/26/1306, Partition of the manor of Combes … between John de Thorp on the one part, and Edmund de Pakeham and Roesia [sister of Cecily], his wife, Robert de Ufford and Cecily (2498693), his wife, on the other, … (S) CCRs. [Heirs of sisters Margaret (94563585) and Isabel (19989545),]

1306, John a collector and assessor for Norfolk and Suffolk.

12/20/1306, Commission de walliis et fossatis to … John de Thorp and John le Bretun, on the sea-coast … county of Norfolk. (S) CPRs.

1307, John appointed Steward of the household of King Edward I. (S) Chapters in the Administrative History of Medieval England, Tout, 1920, P26.

7/7/1307, Edward II became king on the death of his father.

1307, John a Justice for Norfolk and Suffolk, attending the 1st parliament of King Edward II as a judge.

1/18/1308, Pardon to John de Thorpe for the death of Robert de Revesone of Lavendon, … he killed him in self defense. (S) CPRs.

1308-21, John de Thorpe, kinsman of Margaret de Thorp (94563585), holding a moiety of Cambe, Norfolk. (S) 5/2/1330, Writ of certiorari for Robert de Thorp (5910224).

2/28/1309, Commission to John de Thorpe and Walter de Norwyco to certify … as to the condition of the king’s manor of Costesheye, co. Norfolk, … (S) CPRs.

1309, John called to military service.

6/11/1309, by writ, Lord John summoned to parliament.

7/18/1310, Appointment, at will, of John de Thorpe to be keeper of all castles [late of Roger le Bygod] for the maintenance of the king’s brothers, … (S) CPRs.

12/14/1311, Licence for the alienation in mortmain of John de Thorpe … in Asshewellethorpe … chapel of St. Mary, … (S) CPRs.

1312, Nicholas de Shropham presented as rector of Wreningham Parva by Sir John de Thorp, Knt. and Lady Alice his wife. (S) Ess. Tow’s Topo. Hist. of Norfolk, V5, 1806, Wreningham.

8/11/1312, Bond to John de Thorpe for repayment … £200 … as a loan, for the expenses of the household. (S) CPRs.

1315, John, Sheriff of Norfolk, requested to be excused for health reasons.

1316, John lord [or joint-lord] of 19 manors in Norfolk and Suffolk.

8/6/1316, Appointment of John de Thorpe to be keeper of the sea coast from Iswich to Lenne. (S) CPRs.

1317, John de Hakeford presented as rector of Wreningham Parva by Sir John de Thorp, Knt. and Lady Alice his wife. (S) Ess. Tow’s Topo. Hist. of Norfolk, V5, 1806, Wreningham.

4/16/1319, Commission of oyer and terminer to John de Thorp, … on complaint by Robert de Monte Alto, … (S) CPRs.

1319, John, Sheriff of Norfolk.

6/7/1320, Commitment during pleasure to John de Thorp of the counties of Norfolk and Suffolk and the castle of Norwich, so that he answer at the Exchequer as other sheriffs and keepers. (S) CFRs.

8/9/1322, Licence for the alienation in mortmain … convent of Penteneye by John de Thorpe and Alice his wife, … (S) CPRs.

8/15/1322, John de Thorpe and Thomas, Lord Bardolph, wardens to guard the coast of Norfolk. (S) CPRs.

12/3/1322, Protection with clause volumus for the year to John de Thorpe. (S) CPRs.

2/23/1324, John de Thorp, knight, a mainpernor for Ela, late the wife of James de Perers. (S) CFRs.

4/1324, John died.

5/26/1324, IPM of John de Thorp. [Manors] Suffolk: Kombes. A moiety … Helmigham. A moiety … Horham, held jointly by the said John and Alice, … Robert his son, aged 30 and more, is his next heir. Norfolk: Creek. A moiety … Hillingtone. A moiety … Massingham. held jointly … Eshwellethorp. held jointly … Fundenhale. … Tyveteshale … Norwich, a messuage … (S) CIsPM.

(S) DNB, 1909, P789.

Child of John and Agnes:

i. Robert de Thorpe (5910224), born 1294 in England.

1325, Robert, son and heir of John de Thorpe states that the manor of Combs in Suffolk … of whom Bartholomew de Crek (ggggggf, fl.Domesday), Robert's ancestor, held the manor for the aforesaid farm. … (S) UKNA.

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