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Sunday, September 4, 2011

Baron Geoffrey de Say & Dame Maud de Beauchamp

15211394. Baron Geoffrey de Say & 15211395. Dame Maud de Beauchamp

4/30/1305, Geoffrey born in England, heir & s/o 30422788. Lord Geoffrey de Say & 30422789. Idoine de Leybourne.

2/25/1308, Edward II crowned king of England.

1311, Margaret born in England, d/o 1249356. Guy de Beauchamp & 1249367. Alice de Tony.

3/31/1321, Licence for Geoffrey de Say to enfeoff … his manor of Westgrenewich, co. Kent, … to regrant the manor to the said Geoffrey and Idonia his wife, with remainder to Geoffrey son of the said Geoffrey … remainders to Roger brother … and Ralph brother … (S) CPRs.

3/3/1322, Writ for IPM of Geoffrey de Say. Middlesex: Edelmetone. The manor, jointly acquired by the said Geoffrey and Juliana de Leybourne (60845579, maternal grandmother) … Geoffrey his son, aged 17 at Whitsunday next, is his next heir. … (S) CIsPM.

1/11/1323, Grant to John de Triple, for a fine of 300 marks of the wardship of the lands late of Geoffrey de Say, tenant in chief, in the king's hand by reason of the minority of Geoffrey, his son and heir, to hold until the full age of the heir, with the marriage of the same. (S) CFRs.

1326, Geoffrey gave proof of age.

6/4/1326, To William de Weston, escheator in cos. Kent, Surrey, Sussex, Middlesex, and in the city of London. Order to cause Geoffrey de Say, son and heir of Geoffrey de Say, tenant in chief, to have seisin of his father's lands, as he has proved his age. (S) CCRs.

10/3/1326, John atte Forde of Wrotham in a suit with Geoffrey de Say, son and heir of Geoffrey de Say, deceased, and Idonia, late the wife of the said Geoffrey de Say. (S) CCRs.

1/24/1327, Edward III, age 14, succeeded Edward II as King of England. [1/20/1327, Edward II abdicated.]

1327, Geoffrey summoned to the 1st parliament of King Edward III.

1327, Geoffrey summoned agains the Scots.

~1330, Geoffrey married Mayd.

1/17/1331, Protection for Geoffrey de Say going overseas in the King’s service. (S) CPRs.

6/15/1332, Licence for Geoffrey de Say to grant to Idonia de Say, his mother, the manors of Bingham, Codham, Edelmpton and Sabricheworth, said to the held in chief, to hold for her life by rent of a rose at Midsummer. (S) CPRs.

7/16/1332, Geoffrey de Say, going beyond seas, has letters nominating … (S) CPRs.

2/25/1333, Geoffrey de Say, going beyond seas, has letters nominating … (S) CPRs.

1333, Geoffrey summoned to parliament.          

1/1334, Geoffrey attended the tournament at Dunstable, his coat the same as Geoffrey de Mandeville, earl of Essex, who died in 1216.

1334, Geoffrey de Say to have view of frankpledge, infangthef, outfangthef, and amercements of assize of bread and ale in his manors of Grenewych [Saye's Court in Deptford] at Burham, co. Kent. (S) UKNA.

7/1334 at Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Geoffrey witnessed a quit-claim by David de Strabolgi, late earl of Atholl and steward of Scotland. (S) CPRs, 3/4/1339.

11/25/1334, King Edward, from Newcastle-upon-Tyne, again invaded Scotland, advancing as far as Roxburgh, where he repaired the castle for his use.

1335, King Edward, headquartered at York, made excursions into Scotland.

8/15/1335, The Scots requested a peace meeting with King Edward.

4/10/1336, Geoffrey, a banneret with a retinue of 4 knights, 20 men at arms, and 3 archers, appointed captain and admiral of the fleet from the Thames westward. (S) CPRs, 5/3/1336.

1336, Indenture stating that Geoffrey de Say, Admiral of the Fleet, has taken 7 tuns and a pipe of wine worth £11 5s. from William Arnold Turchee, yeoman of Arnold Nicol, to Victual the King's fleet. (S) UKNA.

9/1336, Geoffrey assigned to protect ambassadors crossing to France.

1337, Geoffrey de Say, chivaler, and Maud his wife (by proxy) v. …  manor of Hammes; to Geoffrey and Maud and heirs male of their bodies. (S) Feet of Fines, Sussex, V3, 1916, No.1921.

3/24/1337, Mandate to sheriff of Hants, to give all assistance to Reginald de Cobham, Thomas de Ponynges, Geoffrey de Say and Robert de Wateford, assembling the fleet at Portsmouth for the crossing to Gascony. (S) UKNA.

Aft. 11/14/1337, Geoffrey’s mother died.

11/1337, Geoffrey in the army of King Edward, claiming the throne of France through his mother, beginning the 100 Years War with the battle of Cadzand, a Flemish island. With 600 men-at-arms and 2000 archers they embarked on the Thames from London. On the third tide they left Margate for Cadsant. The locals and soldiers saw them coming. The French attached the ships with archers. The English landed with battle axes, sword and lances. The English archers then decimated the French. More than 3000 French soldiers were killed. Edward III had the village burnt before returning to England. (S) Chronicles of England, France, Spain, and the adjoining countries …, Froissart, P31.

8/13/1339, Order to deliver to Geoffrey de Say, who is about to go to the king beyond the sea, by his order, to stay there, 2 ships of that fleet for his passage and that of his household, horses and equipments, at his own expense, with all speed. (S) CCRs.

9/20/1339, King Edward, with a force of 12,000 attacked Cambresis, Tournai, Vermandois and Laon [in what is now far northern France.]

5/10/1341, Licence for Geoffrey de Say to enclose 100 acres of land and wood in Bierlyng, co. Kent, … to impark the whold, on condition that he make on his own soil a path … (S) CPRs.

1342, Geoffrey, under the earl of Northampton, commanded the castle of Goy la Foret in Brittany.

9/30/1342, In the opening phase of the Hundred Years War, William de Bohun, Earl of Northampton, defeated Charles of Blois at Morlaix. 50 French knights were killed, and 150 captured. William then and took the town of Roch-Dirien by assault.

4/15/1344, Indult to have a portable altar to Geoffrey de Say, baron, of the diocese of Canterbury. (S) Cal. of Papal Reg’s, V3, 1897, Regesta 162.

6/22/1344, Geoffrey de Say bound to William de Clynton, earl of Huntingdon, for 1,000 marks. (S) CPRs, 6/27/1344.

5/1345, Geoffrey, ‘chivaler,’, sailing to Brittany with the earl of Northampton.

6/22/1345, … Geoffrey de Say was held to William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon, for 1000 marks … (S) CPRs, 3/1/1352.

7/12/1346, King Edward landed an invasion force of 10000 in Normandy, which marched north plundering the countryside. King Philip VI, with 8000 horsemen and 4000 Genoese crossbowmen pursued.

8/26/1346, Geoffrey fought in the 2nd division at the battle of Crecy in the retinue of William de Bohun, earl of Northampton.

8/26/1346, The Battle of Crecy, north of Paris. Edward III vs. Philip VI, heralded the rise of the longbow as the dominant weapon, and also saw the use of the ribauldequin, an early cannon, by the English. The English longbowmen could fire much more quickly than the Genoese, with a killing range of 250 yards. A decisive victory, a third of the French forces lost [mainly to arrows] to less than 100 Englishmen, this started the decline in importance of the mounted knight, and the rise of England as a European power.

9/4/1346, The English began the year-long siege of the port of Calais.

9/4/1346 by Calais, Pardon to William Broker … By K. and testimony of Geoffrey de Say. (S) CPRs.

1346, Geoffrey was a given a ship of 60 tons of wine burthen by the King for service in Brittany.

1/10/1347, Grant to the king’s kinswoman, Joan de Bar, Countess of Warenne, wife of John de Warenna, earl of Surrey … William de Clynton, earl of Huntingdon … Geoffrey de Say … appointed before the king as her attorneys in England … (S) CPRs.

1347, Geoffrey at the seige of Calais in the retinue of William de Clynton, earl of Huntingdon.

6/1347, Geoffrey returned to England. [Calais fell 8/1347.]

12/1347 at Croydon, Geoffrey de Say visited John Stratford, archbishop of Canterbury. (S) Archbishop John Stratford, Haines, 1986, P91.

1348, The Black Death entered the west countryside of England [likely entering through Bristol].

7/25/1349, Geoffrey granted 200 marks yearly to serve the King for life with 20 men-at-arms and 20 archers. (S) CPRs.

4/7/1351, Pardon, at the request of Richard, earl of Arundel, and Geoffrey de Say … (S) CPRs.

3/1/1352, Whereas the king, at the suit of William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon, showing that Geoffrey de Say was held to the said William in 1000 marks, … new agreement with Geoffrey … manor of Grenewiche, held in chief … (S) CPRs.

9/18/1353, Order to cause Geoffrey de Say to have seisin of 3 messuages and 3 roods of land in Sabrichesworth. (S) CCRs.

3/17/1354, Grant to Geoffrey de Say, kt of 2 messuages, with houses built on them, near the church of Buxted, N on a lane; S on the lands of Geoffrey de Say; another messuage lying S and W between lands of Geoffrey de Say, N on land of Walter atte Hoke; 2 crofts in Buxted called Mallyngestoneslond. (S) UKNA.

2/5/1354, Matilda wife of Geoffrey de Say, knight, lord of Berlings, in the diocese of Rochester, given an indult to choose confessors, who shall give them, being penitent, plenary remission at the hour of death, with the usual safeguards. (S) Cal. of Papal Reg’s, V3, 1897, Regesta 227.

9/1/1354, Commitment to Geoffrey de Say of the keeping of the king's castle of Rochester, to hold the same for life, rendering £38 yearly. (S) CFRs.

1/21/1356, Geoffrey, lord de Say, at Roxburgh.

4/17/1355, Geoffrey de Say, keeper of the castle and city of Rochester. (S) CCRs.

6/6/1356, Geoffrey de Say, constable of Rochester castle. (S) CCRs.

9/2/1357, John Roce, citizen and fishmonger of London, … acknowledge that they owe to Geoffrey de Say, knight, £100. (S) CCRs.

6/26/1359, Sir Geoffrey, 2nd Lord Say of West Greenwich, Kent, died.


7/12/1359, Writ for IPM of Geoffrey de Say. Hertford: Sabrichesworth. The manor … He died on 26 June last. William de Say his son, aged 19 years on the feast of St. Botolph last, is his heir. Sussex: Buksted. The manor held jointly by the said Geoffrey, Maud his wife and William their son, who survives … Hammes. The manor held jointly by the said Geoffrey and Maud his wife, who survives … Stret. The manor … Middlesex: Edelmeton. The manor … Kent: Birlyng. The manor, including a park with deer … Codham. The manor … Westgrenewich. The manor … (S) CIsPM.

7/29/1361, Licence for Thomas de Bello Campo, earl of Warwick, … remainders in tail male … to William de Say, son of Maud de Say, the earl’s sister, … (S) CPRs.

1366, Maud has license to an oratory in her house in St. Dunstan’s, East London.

1368, Maud granted 100 marks annually for service to the King.

1368 at Bermondsey, Dame Maud de Say, late the wife of Sir Geoffrey Say, wrote her will. To be buried in the Church of the Friars Preachers in London, near Edmond my loving husband. … I charge to my son, William de Say, … to John, my son, £40; to John de Harleston my French and Latin books; to every esquire in my retinue … (S) Testmaneta Vetusta, V1, P83.

7/28/1369, Dame Maud de Say died.

8/3/1369, Writ for IPM of Maud late the wife of Geoffrey de Say. Kent: Berlyng and Burghham. The manors, held in dower … She died on 28 July last. William de Say, of full age, son of Geoffrey, is the next heir of Geoffrey and Maud. Sussex: Hammes. The manor, which she and Geoffrey held in tail male … Bocstede. The manor, which she held jointly … (S) CIsPM.

(S) Magna Carta Ancestry, P728. (S) The Historical Antiquities of Hertfordshire, Chauncy, P342. (S) DNB, V50, 1897, P387.

Family notes:

·         6/26/1405, Order to John Maysham, escheator in the county of Kent to make a partition into 3 equal parts of all the lands which Elizabeth, daughter of William de Say and late the wife of William de Heron, knight, on the day of her death held … (1) Mary (whom Otes de Wortlyngton has married) one of the daughters of Elizabeth Aldone, one of the sisters of the said William de Say, (2) Maud, the second daughter of the said Elizabeth Aldone, (3) William de Clynton, 'chivaler,' son of William the son of Idonia de Clynton the second sister of the said William de Say, and (4) Roger de Fienles, son of William the son of Joan Fienles, the third sister of the said William de Say (Mary, Maud and William de Clynton being of full age and Roger de Fienles a minor in the king's ward). (S) CFRs.

Children of Geoffrey and Maud: [3 sons, 3 daughters]

i. Joan de Say (7605697), born ~1335 in England.

ii. Idoine de Say, born ? in England.

Iodine married John, 3rd Lord Clinton, s/o Lord John de Clinton & Margery Corbet.

iii. William de Say, born 1340 in England. [Heir]

1361, William made proof of age. (S) UKNA.

1375, William died.

iv. Elizabeth de Say, born ? in England.

Elizabeth married Sir Thomas de Aldon.

v. John de Say, born 1347 in England.

2/7/1354, To John son of Geoffrey de Say, knight, scholar, studying in the elementary sciences, of the diocese of Chichester. Dispensation, at the request of king Edward, to be made a clerk and hold a benefice without cure of souls, he being near the end of his 7th year of age. (S) Cal. of Papal Reg’s, V3, 1897, Regesta 227.