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Wednesday, December 21, 2011

Baron John de Carew & Dame Joan Talbot

30422272. Baron John de Carew & 30422273. Dame Joan Talbot

~1283, John born in England, s/o 60844544. Sir Nicholas de Carew & 60844545. Amicia Peverel.

~1289, Joan born in England, d/o  121689200. Sir Richard Talbot & 121689201. Sarah de Beauchamp. (S) Coll’s Towards the Hist. and Antiq’s of the County of Hereford, Duncan, Pt.1, V2, 1812, P378.


John married 1st Eleanor Mohun, d/o William de Mohun of Ottery & Beatrice FitzPeter. [Eleanor sister of Mary, 1st wife of John de Meriet (60844074).]

6/1297, Devonia. Preceptum fuit Vicecomiti quod quia Johannes de Carreu qui Alianoram vnam heredum et eineciam filiam Willelmi de Mohun defuncti … [Proof of age of Eleanor.] (S) The Index Library, V19, 1898, P236.

7/22/1297, The K. takes fealty of John de Carreu, who had married Alienor, elder daughter and heir of William de Mohun, deceased, and which Alienor had proven her age before the K. … (S) Cal. of Document Realting to Ireland, 1881, P203.

9/25/1297, Partition of the lands that belonged to William de Mohun, … between John de Carreu and Eleanor his wife, … and John de Meriet amd Mary, his wife, … (S) CCRs.

2/24/1298, John de Carreu (who had married Alienor, the younger daughter and one of the heirs of William de Mohun, deceased) to have seisin of their putparty … John de Meriet and Maria his wife (another daughter … of said William) … (S) Cal. of Document Realting to Ireland, 1881, P231.

[––John & Joan––]

~1307, John married 2nd Joan Talbot.

7/7/1307, Edward II became king on the death of his father.

11/5/1308, John de Carreu, staying in Ireland, has letters nominating … attorneys for 1 year. (S) CPRs.

1311, John’s father died. John inherited the barony of Idrone in co. Carlow, Ireland, of 5 knights’ fees. (S) 13th Century England, Gregynog Conference, 2007, P226.

1314, Grantor: John de Carreu, lord of Carew. Grantee: John Melyn. Subject: Licence to give 3 acres of land in Carew to David de Carreu, Rector of the church of Carew. (Pemb). (S) UKNA.

1316, John had livery of the lands of Moulsford.

9/10/1317, Letter of protection for John de Carreu, staying in England. (S) CPRs.

5/20/1318, Thomas de Carreu and John de Carreu had letters of protection for 2 years going to Ireland. (S) CPRs.

1319, at Stoke Flemmynge, co. Devon, Acquittance by John de Carrey, dominus de Carreu, of dominus Gilbert Talebot, for £10, part of a sum of £200 due in respect of the marriage of Nicholas son of John, with Alianore daughter of Gilbert. (S) Cymmrodorion Record Series, I4, Pts3-4, 1908, P529.

1320, John de Barry acknowledges that he has been satisfied for the said £500 of which he discharges John de Carrew. (S) Archaeologia Cambrensis, 1971, P86. [John de Barry, lord of Olethan, Ireland, in an indenture with Sir Nicholas de Carrew of a marriage between Richard de Barry, brother of John, and Beatrice, daughter of Nicholas, for £500. (S) Journal of the Cork Historical and Arch. Soc., 1899, P156.]

8/4/1320, Simple protection, without clause, for 1 year for John de Carru staying in England. (S) CPRs.

6/26/1324, John de Carru (Carew): Berkshire, Devon died. (S) UKNA, IPM. On the day of his death, Sir Richard Talbot, knight, Joan late the wife of John de Carru, John his son, and many others entered upon the manor of Molesforde, Berks, to hold it by force, against the will of the king’s escheator. [This Property to go entailed to his half-brother Thomas (7604320).] (S) IPM of John de Carru.


7/10/1324, IPM of John de Carru. He died on 26 June … Berks: Molesford. The manor … Thomas de Carru his brother, aged 33 and more, is his next heir by the death of Nicholas son and heir of the said John who died on 20 June, 17 Edward II, of full age, seised of the said manor. Devon: Otery, Moneketon, Galmeton and Stokeflemyng. The manors … successive remainders to the said Nicholas son of John and the heirs of his body, and to John brother of the said Nicholas and the heirs of his body; and the said Nicholas died without heirs of his body. Mammehefde. The manor held jointly [with Joan his wife] … Mammehevede by Doulesch. The manor …  the said Joan and John the son have continued their seisin without change of their estate. (S) CIsPM.

8/22/1324, Writ of certiorari on the complaint of Joan, late the wife of the said John, and John their son, that the escheator had taken into the king’s hand the manor of Mammehevede by Doulesch, whereof they were seised jointly with the said John. (S) CIsPM.

5/6/1325, After the death of her husband and his son by Eleanor, Joan and her son John paid £100 fine for the seizure of Moulsford manor.

2/1/1327 at Westminster, Edward III, age 14, crowned king of England.

4/10/1330, Protection, with clause volumus, for 1 year, … Joan late the wife of John de Carreu. (S) CPRs.

7/1330, Dame Joan Carew was bound in £200 to Sir Guy Bryan the elder, for the marriage of his said son [Guy]; and it was determined that the latter should have possession of the Barony and Castle Walwayn, to hold to him and his heirs in tail, upon condition that he should marry his 2 sisters out of the profits of those lands.

9/4/1331, Licence for Thomas de Carru to enfeoff … manor of Mollisford … to grant that one third part … now held for life as dower by Joan late the wife of John de Carru, and one third … of the manor held in like manner by Eleanor late the wife of Nicholas de Carru, … (S) CPRs.

3/18/1337, Grant to Joan de Carru of the keeping of the manor of Orleton, co. Hereford, late of Edmund de Mortuo Mari, tenant in chief, to hold until the lawful age of Roger, son and heir … rendering £50 7s. Sd. a year. (S) CFRs.

2/9/1341, Grant to Guy Brian, king’s yeoman, … which Joan late the wife of John de Carreu holds for life of the king’s grant, … Mandate to Joan to attorn to him for her services. (S) CPRs.

7/7/1342, Mandate to Joan late the wife of John de Carreu, to attorn for the fealty … (S) CPRs.

7/12/1342, Joan Carrew released her life estate to Guy de Brian.

7/20/1346, Joan late the wife of John de Carreu, ‘chivaler,’ staying in England, has letters nominating John de Carrey, ‘chivaler,’ … attorneys in Ireland for 2 years. (S) CPRs.

Joan died.

Family notes:

·         Joan married 2nd John de Dartmouth [Dertemuth]. (S) Peerage of England, Collins, P4. Arms of the female alliances … “Joane Talbot to John de Darthmouth” in the Talbot Gallery of Alton Towers, Hampshire. (S) Guide to Alton Towers, 1869, P27.

Children of John and Eleanor:

i. Nicholas de Carew, born ~1308 in England.

Nicholas married Eleanor, d/o Gilbert Talbot.

6/20/1324, Nicholas died a week before his father.

6/26/1324, IPM of Nicholas de Carru. Berks: Molesford. The manor … Thomas de Carru (7604320) his uncle, aged 33 and more, is his next heir. (S) CIsPM.

Children of John and Joan:

ii. John de Carew (15211136), born 1310 in England.

iii. Joan de Carew, born ? in England.

5/2/1334, Appointment of Joan de Carru, damsel of the chamber of queen Philippa, to the custody of the manor of Erleslane, co. Hereford. (S) CPRs.

By 1330, Joan married Guy de Briane, knight, lord of castle Walweyn.