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Saturday, August 8, 2020

Earl Saire de Quincy & Countess Margaret de Beaumont

 39979012. Earl Saire de Quincy & 39979013. Countess Margaret de Beaumont

12/19/1154, Henry II crowned king of England.

~1160, Saier born England, s/o 79958024. Robert de Quincy & 79958025. Orabilis de Mar.

~1164, Margaret born in Hampshire, England, d/o 79958026. Sir Robert de Beaumont & 79958027. Petronilla de Grandmesnil.

4/1173, Saire, in Normandy, a supporter of young King Henry against his father King Henry II. (S) The Angevin Empire, Ramsay, 1903, P168.

1176-78, Montfort. Justices: … William Malet, Hugh de Cressi, Seher de Quinci, … constables of Pontaudemer, Rouen, Nonacourt and Neufachatel. (S) Norman Institutions, Haskings, 1918, P334.

[––Saire & Margaret––]

~1180, Saier married to Margaret.

1180-4, Saire castellan of Nonancourt in the Aure.

1188 at Geddington, Charter of King Henry to the church of Bungay. Witnesses … Earl William of Sussex; Earl David, brother of the King of Scots; Rannulf de Glanville; William de Humez; Walter fitz Robert; Seher de Quinci; William Marshall; … Richard de Camville; … (S) Hugh de Puiset – Bishop of Durham, Scammell, 2011, P284.

11/3/1189, Richard I crowned king of England.

1190, Saier de Quincy an envoy to the Scots.

1196, Saire’s father died.

8/1198, Saire with King Richard I at Roche d’Orval.

5/27/1199, John crowned king of England.

8/18/1199, Saire witness to agreement between King John and the Count of Boulogne at Chateau Gaillard.

1200, Seher de Quinci, earl of Winton, held court at Leuchars. (S) Registrum Monasterii S. Marie de Cambuskenneth, 1872, P346.

10/1200, Saire a baron present at Lincoln when William the Lion of Scotland did homage to the English monarch. He obtained large grants and immunities from King John.

1202, King John refused King Philip’s summons to Paris as his vassal. The French court awarded his lands to his nephew Arthur of Brittany. King Philip attacked Norman territories capturing most of Brai.

3/1203, King John granted Saher the manors of Chinnor and Sydenham, Oxfordshire, for 1.5 knights’ fee.

1203, King Philip of France attacked King John’s lands in Normandy and Angiers, capturing Chateau-Gaillard and the city of Rouen. King John sent forces commanded by William Marshall to repel the invasion.

6/1203, Saire, governor of the Castle of Ruil [Vaudreuil] in Normandy with his cousin Robert Fitz Walter. They surrendered the castle after help from King John never arrived. Saire and Robert were imprisoned at Compiegne until a ransom payment of £5000 was made.

7/5/1203 at Rouen, William Marshall wrote to King John: “Know that Robert Fitz-Walter and Saher de Quinci have returned the castle of Valle Rodol to the King of France by our order. … enjoin that they, ald all those who were with them in the castle, may be on that account acquitted of blame.” (S) King John of England, Chadwick, 1865, P235.

5/28/1204 at Rouen, King John acquitted “our faithful Saher de Quincy” 300 marks which are due to the Jews. (S) The Athenaeum, Buckingham, 1835, P724.

1204, Many Normandy barons, having their English-titled lands captured by King Philip of France, moved to England in support of King John.

1204, Saher de Quincy, recovered the advowson of Eynesbury which had been given by his ancestor Simon de St. Liz to St. Neots. (S) Proceedings of the Cambridge Antiquarian Society, Vs59-62, 1996, P71.

10/21/1204, Margaret’s coheir to her brother Robert fitz Parnel, 4th Earl of Leicester. (S) Women, Art and Patronage, Gee, 2002, P70.  Saher de Quency was granted custody of all his lands except the castle of Mountsorrel, offering 1000 marks for custody in right of his wife, or 5000 marks for full possession.

3/2/1207, Saire, 1st Earl of Winchester, Hampshire.

3/10/1207, After the ratification of the division of Margaret’s brother’s estates, the honor of Leicester divided between Saher de Quency and Simon de Montfort [married to Margaret’s sister.] Simon received the third penny of the town of Leicester and the dignity of seneschal of England; and was forgiven half the promised money for possession; and granted £10 a year from Hampshire.

1208, Saher de Quincy, earl of Winchester, in a plea as to the advowson of Wimpole, Cambs., said that his grandfather, Saher de Quincy, had held it in Henry II's reign. (S) Northampton Record Society, V15, 1950, P194.

6/6/1210, King John launched successful attacks in Ireland [which he split into shires ruled by the crown from Dublin]. King John launched 700 ships in the attack, and used 10 knights as personal bodyguards in this campaign.

7/25/1210, Saire accompanied King John to Carrickfergus, Scotland.

1211, Saher de Quency and Gilbert de Ghent were pressed for their debts to the crown.

2/1212, Saire, lord of Leuchars and Tranent in Scotland, commanded 100 knights & 100 seargents in William the Lion’s campaign against the MacWilliam rebels of Scotland.

5/1212, Saher de Quency, earl William of Salisbury, and William de Cornhill, archdeacon of Huntingdon, attested letters patent and close at Westminster. [King John was travelling around England.]

1212, Saier de Quincy sent as an ambassador to Emperor Otto IV.

5/15/1213, Saire a witness of the document in which King John resigned his crown to the Pope. (S) The Reign of King John, Painter, 1949, P194.

1213-19, Grant of Maurice de Gant, …. Witnesses: Robert Fitz Walter, Saier de Quincy, and Henry de Bohun.

3/4/1215, Saier de Quincy joined King John in taking the cross of a crusader.

By 5/25/1215, Saher de Quency, earl of Winchester, had joined the barons in revolt.

6/19/1215 at Runnymede near Windsor, King John forced to agree to the terms of the Magna Carta. [The barons in revolt together held more castles and knights fees than John did as King.]

11/20/1215 at Bury St. Edmunds, Saher, 1 of only 25 Barons, selected by the rest, to enforce the Magna Carta.

1215, Saher de Quincy, earl of Winchester, laid seige to and captured the castle and town of Colchester [later recaptured by King John – Saher moved his forces to Bury St. Edmond’s.] (S) Gentleman’s Magazine, V93, Pt2, 1823, P405.

1215, Saire and Robert Fitz Walter sent by the barons to France to offer the crown to Prince Louis, the Dauphin.

12/16/1215, Saire excommunicated with his son Roger.

1/9/1216, Saire de Quincy and Robert Fitz Walter (60849196) returned with 42 ships of French knights. They kept a strong garrison in Montsorell Castle in Leicester on behalf of Prince Louis.  (S) Gentleman’s Magazine, V87, Pt2, 1817, P492. [140 knights of France had arrived earlier.]

5/20/1216, Prince Louis crossed to England in 10 warships, with 1200 knight and 900 troops. Louis quickly captured all the Cinque Ports except Dover, held by Hubert de Burgh. Louis captured the town of Lincoln, but not the castle.

6/2/1216, Prince Louis proclaimed King in London. (S) A Primary History of Britain, Smith, 1873, P66.

10/28/1216, Henry III, age 9, crowned king of England.

5/20/1217, the Barons, being greatly outnumbered, were besieged and defeated at the battle of Lincoln by the troops of King Henry III, commanded by Ranulph de Blundeville, earl of Chester. Saire with many others was made prisoner and his estates forfeited.

10/4/1217, Saire’s lands restored following his submission.

1218, Saire, Earl of Winchester went with the Earls of Chester and Arundel to the Holy Land.

1219, Saire a commander at the siege of Damietta.

11/3/1219, Saire died on the way to Jerusalem. He was buried in Acre, the capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. His heart was brought back and interred at Garendon Abbey near Loughborough, a house endowed by his wife’s family. (S) Middle Ages in the Highlands, Maclean, 1981, P138.


8/2/1220, To the sheriff of Wiltshire. S. earl of Winchester, who has died, as the king has heard for certain, … (S) FRsHIII.

8/9/1220, To the sheriff of Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire. Order to cause the corn formerly of S. earl of Winchester in his bailiwick, …, to be valued, with chattels found therein, by the view and testimony of law-worthy men, and to cause the same corn and chattels to be delivered to Margaret who was the wife of S. earl of Winchester. (S) FRsHIII.

~1220, Margaret’s seal: Margaret “is robed in the lozenges of de Quincy and stands under an arch, next to a tree on which hangs the shields of de Quincy and Fitzwalter.” (S) Wiltshire Arch. And Nat. Hist. Soc., V89, P135.

11/13/1221, Pledges for Isabella de Bolbec, countess of Oxford: Margaret countess of Winchester fo 100 m., … Roger de Quincy for 100 m. (S) FRsHIII.

2/11/1223, Margaret countess of Winchester has made fine with the king by 400 m. that Hawise, her daughter, may be married to Hugh, son and heir of R. de Vere, formerly earl of Oxford, … (S) FRsHIII.

11/18/1228, To the sheriff of Northamptonshire. The king has pardoned to Margaret, countess of Winchester, the third part of her scutage from the knights’ fees she holds of the king in chief in his bailiwick. (S) FRsHIII.

7/13/1229, Margaret, countess of Winchester, gives the king 80 m. for having his grant of the lands of the Normans which are of her fee and which are in her hand, or of other lands that others hold by the same countess of the same lands of the Normans that are of her fee, to have and hold to the same countess for life and to Roger de Quincy, her son and heir, after her death.

8/1231-11/1232, To Margaret de Quincy, countess of Winchester, concerning the Jews of Leicester and one of Margaret agents … Robert, archdeacon of Leicester, sends greeting … (S) Letters of Robert Grosseteste, Bishop of Lincoln, 2009, P65.

11/19/1233, Margaret, countess of Winchester, has made fine with the king by 40 m. for having seisin of the manor of Marden , formerly of Gilbert Basset, which is of the fee of the same countess, without prejudice to the right of each who will wish to claim right in the said manor, and she has given the king surety for the aforesaid 40 m. by Roger de Quincy, her son. (S) FRsHIII.

1/12/1234, Margaret died.

(S) Magna Carta Ancestry, P683. (S) The Reign of King John, Painter, 1949.

Family notes:

·         “Seyrus de Quinci”, granted a charter to Coupar priory for an annual gift of a chalder of corn, which his father Robert gave them, to be received each year at Leuchars, at Christmas.

Children of Saier and Margaret: [5 sons, 3 daughters]

i. Robert de Quincy (39979062), born 1182 in England.

ii. Roger de Quincy (19989506), born ~1185 in England.

iii. Robert de Quincy (9994810), born bef. 1200 in England. [2nd of the same name.]

iv. Arabela de Quincy, born ? in England.

Arabela married Sir Richard de Harcourt.

v. Hawise de Quincy (47279565), born ~1210 in England.

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